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Bryant Again · Jan 31, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22

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Originally Posted by aapo

- What elitism?

Maybe it's not elitism so much as it is discrimination, you're right.

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Originally Posted by aapo

What is gone? Skill>time in PvE? Tell me when PvE has been about skill.

Pre-PvE skills mostly. Things could be accomplished by going with the "holy trinity", but it wasn't terribly quick or effective, just mindless.

Shakti · Jan 31, 2008, 05:24 AM // 05:24

Well...no. My ss necro that dualed uw has a TON of exp....never did much else with her. My 55 from back in the day has possibly more exp than my ele who's my main at this point, I haven't ever thought to look. Exp does not equal played by any means.

Pleikki · Jan 31, 2008, 05:34 AM // 05:34

I kinda like that idea

bj91x · Jan 31, 2008, 05:41 AM // 05:41

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Originally Posted by Blu

Sure, btw elitism isn't a problem, who uses PuG's?

I do.

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Originally Posted by Ruricu

Moreover, who plays with people?

I do.

I think it would be interesting to see something like this. Sure, it's nothing that affects gameplay, but it just seems interesting. Even more so if it creates more "elitism" for noobs. If some noob only wants to see lvl xx player, I know he sucks at the game and wouldn't want to play with him.

aapo · Jan 31, 2008, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Maybe it's not elitism so much as it is discrimination, you're right.

- Discrimination is a lot better word. As we all know, PUGs suck because couple of bad apples will ruin the whole basket. If we would have accurate information about person's past success we could rule out noobs and jackasses in theory. Then PUGing would be enjoyable again and the world would rejoice. UB shows that people *do* enjoy PUGing when it's clearly beneficial for them. High rank titles also shows that you're up for the task and really went out of your way to become effective.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Pre-PvE skills mostly. Things could be accomplished by going with the "holy trinity", but it wasn't terribly quick or effective, just mindless.

- Was the holy trinity any better? Same mindless Glyph of Sac + Meteor Shower and Obsidian Tanks it was. Not using correct build = kick from the group. Biggest decision you made was when you decided you wanted to be creative and rolled a Mesmer or Paragon. There's no explaining that Paragon with maxed There's Nothing to Fear and Save Yourselves is a lot better than bonder, because majority of PvE folk are either noobs or wikibuild users. People are stupid and stupid people need stupid clickfest of Ursan Blessing.

shoyon456 · Jan 31, 2008, 06:43 AM // 06:43

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

As for this topic, I kinda feel the KOBD title track shows some representation of a players lvl, though I've got 10million Exp I am only rank 2 "People Know Me".

gw is SUPPOSED to be Skill>time
I don't know where the hell people are comming from with these bs ideas that spending time grinding through titles actually means you have skill. Yes, some titles can be used to assess general skill/competence, but in the end you could always pay someone to do it.

Bryant Again · Jan 31, 2008, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Originally Posted by aapo

- Discrimination is a lot better word. As we all know, PUGs suck because couple of bad apples will ruin the whole basket. If we would have accurate information about person's past success we could rule out noobs and jackasses in theory. Then PUGing would be enjoyable again and the world would rejoice. UB shows that people *do* enjoy PUGing when it's clearly beneficial for them. High rank titles also shows that you're up for the task and really went out of your way to become effective.

You can't come to the conclusion that people enjoy pugging due to Ursan Blessing. Some may only be pugging because heroes and henchies can't use PvE skills, and Ursan is best used in bulk. It's similar to why so many ran IWay and VIMWay: Both team builds were easy to set up and use little thought but weren't terribly effective. Ursanway is just as easy to set up and easy to use, but is greatly effective.

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Originally Posted by aapo

Was the holy trinity any better? Same mindless Glyph of Sac + Meteor Shower and Obsidian Tanks it was. Not using correct build = kick from the group. Biggest decision you made was when you decided you wanted to be creative and rolled a Mesmer or Paragon. There's no explaining that Paragon with maxed There's Nothing to Fear and Save Yourselves is a lot better than bonder, because majority of PvE folk are either noobs or wikibuild users.

Holy trinity came at the price of being dull and slow, and while it was largely unoriginal it at least could have *some* breathing room in builds.

Discrimination can never be helped, and UB doesn't fix this. Don't have GW:EN? /kick. And even if that Mesmer did have GW:EN he's probably not playing how he wants (if he wanted to hit things, why not roll a Warrior?)

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Originally Posted by aapo

People are stupid and stupid people need stupid clickfest of Ursan Blessing.

No, they need to become better players.

strcpy · Jan 31, 2008, 07:39 AM // 07:39

The problem is that there is *no* way for a title to ever accurately reflect a players skill.

My Dervish stayed at rank 5 LB for ages - I achieved that well before the introduction of HM. When I would enter areas i would get TONS of blind invites, so many that I eventually chose to display another title and only changed once in an explorable. I stayed at rank 5 for a LONG time (after that much grinding I avoided it), in fact I didn't hit max rank until the very last (Jan. 08) double SS/LB points weekend - I went from so many blind invites I couldn't block them to being laughed at for being a noob if I wanted a group.

Even then. given someone who is displaying Legendary Guardian may have very well payed some one to complete it while someone with a plain protector is a MUCH better player - heck even more true if it is a tertiary character being considered (I have ten characters - other than account wide titles my Ritualist has none).

*shrug* I H/H and they don't really care much one way or another. I would like them to have no level cap as far as they can (there is no way to have a truly infinite cap), in fact I would also like a title linked to exp - but oh well, hasn't happened and isn't likely to happen either. Of course, the people who complain that no one PUGS anymore and still requires said titles is, well, amusing (and seems to be the most common player), but again the AI is quite willing to conclude they are idiots also

combatchuck · Jan 31, 2008, 09:13 AM // 09:13

I thought for a long time that it would be a cool title. Upon further reflection, I think it would just cast a light on how much somebody farms. I know people with 20 and 30 million XP, and by that title they would be gods. I can see that leading to a lot of exclusion for people that don't farm.

It's interesting to figure it out on your own, though. My main has 6.6 million XP over 30 months. That puts me at an imaginary level of 453.

Where n equals your experience:

(n-182600)/15000+23 = your imaginary level

You can plug this right into Google and it will solve for you.

Cacheelma · Jan 31, 2008, 09:38 AM // 09:38

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

Regardless of whether there's a good reason to do so or not, noobs are still going to discrimate and use it to boost E-peen.

Please don't attack OP's transparency.

Hyper.nl · Jan 31, 2008, 09:50 AM // 09:50

I would like to see a 'virtual level' of the characters. Just for informational purpose; it gives players who have been playing a certain character for a long time an extra way to distinguish themselves.

Uber Mass · Jan 31, 2008, 09:52 AM // 09:52

tons of Exp doesnt reflect real experience at all. Farm chars or creating new chars can give wrong expectations then imo....

If you pug its always a gamble what the person can or cant do...

cataphract · Jan 31, 2008, 09:56 AM // 09:56

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Originally Posted by Ruricu

Good players don't PUG

I'm good and I PUG because I'm a masochist. I also WTS because of it..

Arkhan · Jan 31, 2008, 10:47 AM // 10:47

It's bad enough some titles causes discrimination. Meh it is not like I am puging anymore anyway.

zwei2stein · Jan 31, 2008, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by aapo

People are stupid and stupid people need stupid clickfest of Ursan Blessing.

No they don't. They need challenge that makes the fail big time unless they improve.

And they have no place being in areas where ursan is necessary for *them* to succeed. Seriously, whole of NM is big enough for stupid person to screw around until he learns his stuff.

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Actually this thread is kinda sad ... wtf is be point of having bigger number? Are you people so sad that having such e-peen thing will actually increase your enjoyment of game?

Lagg · Jan 31, 2008, 12:55 PM // 12:55

Put it in the /age command where no one else can see it.

Problem solved.

Ctb · Jan 31, 2008, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Originally Posted by Ruricu

Good players don't PUG

Only bad players don't PUG.

Malice Black · Jan 31, 2008, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Only bad players don't PUG.

How do you work that out?

Guildies>H/H>PUG

silv3rr · Jan 31, 2008, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by Antheus

I'm over nine thousand.

WHAT?? 9000?!? that's impossible!! ahh good old dbz *hops over to youtube to watch the funny videos*

baz777 · Jan 31, 2008, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Only bad players don't PUG.

Agree with Malice

1. Guildies
2. Hero/Hench
3. Stick red hot pins in my eyes
4. Pluck out my pubic hair with tweezers
5. Ask the wife if she needs any money
6. PUG